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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/204850938" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#204850938">(Jul 23 2020 at 20:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>So maybe we can start by assembling a list of things to think about this year. I'm also curious to find out who might be interested in helping out with some of the coordination work. But let's start by naming out things to be done...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/204851011" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#204851011">(Jul 23 2020 at 20:40)</a>:</h4>
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<li>we wanted to cull down some of the questions from last year, I think, since we had the impression survey was getting too long</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/204851033" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#204851033">(Jul 23 2020 at 20:40)</a>:</h4>
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<li>there was a list of lessons from last year's survey, can someone post a link to that document?</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/204851620" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#204851620">(Jul 23 2020 at 20:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>I probably have that document somewhere in paper or Google docs, I can try and find it.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/204851907" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#204851907">(Jul 23 2020 at 20:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>Something we probably also want to consider is should we have survey questions related to COVID-19?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/204852338" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#204852338">(Jul 23 2020 at 20:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>Also how does everyone feels about using Google Forms again? I remember having quite a few frustrations with using it, but I don’t really know of a better alternative.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/204853677" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#204853677">(Jul 23 2020 at 21:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>that about sums it up :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/204860678" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#204860678">(Jul 23 2020 at 22:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>There's a family of questions I would really love to ask. People talk in freeform comments about Rust compilation time. I'd like to add 2-3 structured questions about it.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/204860700" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#204860700">(Jul 23 2020 at 22:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>We should put "compile time" in one of the "prioritize this list of things you care about" questions.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/204860732" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#204860732">(Jul 23 2020 at 22:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>And I'd love to ask "how powerful is the system you most commonly do compiles on?" (number of CPUs and amount of RAM).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/204860827" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#204860827">(Jul 23 2020 at 22:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Disclosure: I'd like to know that information for several reasons, including understanding how much the community cares about it, and how effective various solutions may be. I also have a professional interest in that information.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/204871128" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lokathor <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#204871128">(Jul 24 2020 at 01:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>I should hope that every single response ranks it as the number 1 priority (though perhaps only 99% of people will).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/204877089" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#204877089">(Jul 24 2020 at 03:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't know whether that's what would happen or not. I can easily imagine people prioritizing other things.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/204893275" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> apiraino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#204893275">(Jul 24 2020 at 09:00)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="219696">XAMPPRocky</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/249854-t-community.2Frust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E/near/204851620">said</a>:</p>
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<p>I probably have that document somewhere in paper or Google docs, I can try and find it.</p>
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<p>I've dug into my mailbox and found this one<br>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hUJ_76ufq_5-qlBftgEgpa8EHXpznklAk-pdRryS1mM/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hUJ_76ufq_5-qlBftgEgpa8EHXpznklAk-pdRryS1mM/edit</a></p>
<p>To my knowledge, this was the internal official feedback document</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/204894258" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> apiraino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#204894258">(Jul 24 2020 at 09:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was also curious to find a good alternative to Forms (also for personal reference, can always come in handy). <br>
A super quick search while sipping coffee led to:</p>
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<li><a href="https://dislack.com/pricing">https://dislack.com/pricing</a>  (only Plus/Pro tiers would suit for our needs)</li>
<li><a href="https://forms.id/">https://forms.id/</a> (seems interesting)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.userreport.com/">https://www.userreport.com/</a> (lots of buzzwords and moving stuff, couldnt figure out at a glance the features of a free tier)</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/204894384" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> apiraino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#204894384">(Jul 24 2020 at 09:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>This weekend I hope I can spare some time investigating one or more of these alternatives</p>
<p>In my opinion, a replacement to Forms should tick the following (in this order):</p>
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<li>allow questions custom flow (like we had last year: conditional jump to section if answer yes/no)</li>
<li>responsive design / allow mobile users</li>
<li>bulk load questions (ideally from an export of Pontoon)</li>
<li>dump answers in a open format (e.g. csv)</li>
<li>FLOSS and privacy aware service</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/204956897" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#204956897">(Jul 24 2020 at 19:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think maybe <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="250246">@Jasun Carr</span> might have useful data here, I think when he and I talked about it last time, he felt that Google forms was the thing to use, despite its flaws.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/206729595" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#206729595">(Aug 12 2020 at 18:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>So, I'm not sure whether we'll be able to do contracting or not</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/206729606" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#206729606">(Aug 12 2020 at 18:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think probably it's best to assume not</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/206729632" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#206729632">(Aug 12 2020 at 18:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>and think about whether we can pull off the survey without it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/206729640" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#206729640">(Aug 12 2020 at 18:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe a good time to try and simplify the survey considerably :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/206743970" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#206743970">(Aug 12 2020 at 20:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>I agree, maybe we should start with what questions we’d like to see return from last year? <a href="https://blog.rust-lang.org/2020/04/17/Rust-survey-2019.html">https://blog.rust-lang.org/2020/04/17/Rust-survey-2019.html</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/206747165" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#206747165">(Aug 12 2020 at 20:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was thinking something similar</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/206747183" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#206747183">(Aug 12 2020 at 20:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>my sense already was that the survey was way too long regardless, and that a lot of the feedback is ultimately not that "actionable"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/207385585" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#207385585">(Aug 19 2020 at 09:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think these are some questions we probably want to keep. I don’t know if we want to split analysis/questions between people who are working full-time and those who are not like last year. If only because it doubles the amount of work.</p>
<ul>
<li>What editor do you use?</li>
<li>What platform(s) do you develop on?</li>
<li>What platform(s) do you develop for?</li>
<li>What industries do you work in?</li>
<li>How many dependencies are 1.0?</li>
<li>What languages do you want better interop with?</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/207460195" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#207460195">(Aug 19 2020 at 20:51)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span> consolidating questions makes sense to me</p>



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<p>I wonder if it makes sense to setup a meeting next week to talk stuff over and try to come up with a first draft?</p>



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<p>or if you want to edit the workflow async, that's ok too</p>



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<p>I’d be up for having a meeting, though I’m not sure how many people would we’d have in that timeframe.</p>



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<p>I guess a good question is what people are best to loop in</p>



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<p>but I am thinking maybe <em>late</em> next week, like Friday, which would also give us a bit more time to iterate before-hand (and I imagine a ZUlip meeting, to make it easier for folk to catch up)</p>



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<p>one thing I was wondering is .. which teams actually use information and what do they use?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/207508097" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#207508097">(Aug 20 2020 at 10:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I could start by going over the survey for <em>myself</em> and writing out the information that I've found helpful</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/207508104" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#207508104">(Aug 20 2020 at 10:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>I have definitely looked to the survey for inspiration for time to time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/207508184" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#207508184">(Aug 20 2020 at 10:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think you are correct with your list, but there are some questions missing, I definitely feel like some of the larger scope questions ("which parts are confusing", "how long did it take for you to get used to things") have been helpful too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/207508196" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#207508196">(Aug 20 2020 at 10:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>another thing to look at would be "which questions did we talk about in the blog posts"</p>



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<p>Yeah those are good questions to ask. Maybe we should send an email (or a ping in zulip maybe?) ahead of the meeting to the leads; saying that we are thinking about how what questions to include and if there's anything they'd be particularly interested in? It could give us something to start with.</p>



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<p>That sounds good <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span></p>



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<p>I was thinking that project leads was probably a good resource to reach out to</p>



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<p>Just posting about it in <a class="stream" data-stream-id="217588" href="/#narrow/stream/217588-project-leads-.28public.29">#project leads (public)</a> should be enough right? It's not really a sensitive discussion AFAICT.</p>



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<p>agreed</p>



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<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span> I was giving this some thought. I think we should just run the <em>exact same survey</em> as last year (tweaked only as needed)</p>



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<p>basic idea: too much going on</p>



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<p>this will minimize the work needed to get survey out the door</p>



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<p>In particular, in a core team meeting today we were discussing roadmap process and looking at calendar and thinking that we would ideally launch survey by Sep 3</p>



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<p>which is...in 1 week</p>



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<p>but if we run with the existing survey + existing translations</p>



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<p>then this is much more plausible</p>



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<p>we do want to start trying to wrangle up a "translation team" thouh</p>



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<p>Hello</p>



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<p>Hey <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="259089">@technetos</span> =)</p>



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<p>You can see my last few comments with up to date thinking :)</p>



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<p>Just finished reading through them</p>



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<p>in short, I am thinking about how we can get the survey up-and-going as quickly as possible this year (versus running it late like we did last year)</p>



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<p>We dont know what questions we want to ask right?</p>



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<p>Well, we have the surveys from pervious years</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208140987" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208140987">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>They had flaws</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208141008" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208141008">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>but ..</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208141070" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208141070">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>we did have an explicit doc of lessons from last year that we should review</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208141110" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208141110">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>but in general I think we <em>could</em> run the survey again, in general continuinty is a positive thing anyway so I wouldn't have expected to make massive changes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208141134" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208141134">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I had some idea to filter out some questions, and we could even still do that)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208141228" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208141228">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>we also have all the translations from last year</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208141231" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208141231">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I have to find the whole list)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208141241" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208141241">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think most of the work that needs doing is to wrangle up translators</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208141246" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208141246">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., to translate people's responses</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208141288" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208141288">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>and translate any questions we want to add</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208141319" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208141319">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm proposing we add 0 questions :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208141322" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208141322">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>but yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208141337" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208141337">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ok, out as fast as possible</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208141377" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208141377">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, it's not optimal, I hate to rush, but at the same time... I'd rather be out on time.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208141451" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208141451">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>Do you have that lessons learned document?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208141510" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208141510">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>looking</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208141663" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208141663">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:06)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="259089">@technetos</span> <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hUJ_76ufq_5-qlBftgEgpa8EHXpznklAk-pdRryS1mM/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hUJ_76ufq_5-qlBftgEgpa8EHXpznklAk-pdRryS1mM/edit</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208141943" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208141943">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess I imagine that a 1 or 2h sync meeting could plausibly prep the work for release</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208141981" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208141981">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>there were some thoughts (e.g., collapsing duplicate questions) that would make life easier, and I could imagine doing that, but it also seems like a fair amount of work</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208142271" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208142271">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah any significant change or removal will at least require translator work to make sure it syncs up.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208142367" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208142367">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>right</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208142394" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208142394">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think that removing the duplicate/similar questions would be a good goal.  I also agree that checking those across the different translations would take time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208142449" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208142449">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel like we could start working on the <strong>Rust 2021</strong> survey :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208142458" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208142458">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>but still run the Rust 2020 survey as is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208142468" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208142468">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>We could make no change at all and be very honest in the announcement about why there is no change.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208142499" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208142499">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>Do we even have to talk about it much? Like, do people expect surveys to change?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208142558" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208142558">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess I think that overall you do want to minimize the change in the survey regardless to ensure results can be compared across years</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208142597" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208142597">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah if anything this will give us a decent 1:1 comparison</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208142996" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208142996">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>No I guess not, but people who submitted feedback on last years questions will presumably run into those same issues again this year.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208144119" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208144119">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>what updates need to be made to the existing survey so that its ready to be released this year?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208144539" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208144539">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>date changes, so on.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208144561" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> apiraino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208144561">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:31)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/249854-t-community.2Frust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E/near/208142458">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>but still run the Rust 2020 survey as is</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Possibly controversial idea but ... do we <em>really</em> need to run the survey this year after all? If we don't have bandwidth to prepare that, I kind of assume there's no bandwidth also for parsing the results.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208144574" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> apiraino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208144574">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:31)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="219696">XAMPPRocky</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/249854-t-community.2Frust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E/near/208142996">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>No I guess not, but people who submitted feedback on last years questions will presumably run into those same issues again this year.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>^ this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208144596" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lokathor <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208144596">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>We should run the survey <em>in some form</em>, for sure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208144729" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208144729">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>Is the survey stored in a repo somewhere?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208144826" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> apiraino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208144826">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>as far as I know it's a set of google polls (one per language)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208144846" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208144846">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>Gotcha</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208144994" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> apiraino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208144994">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:34)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="224471">Lokathor</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/249854-t-community.2Frust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E/near/208144596">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>We should run the survey <em>in some form</em>, for sure</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think, too. But on the other hand I wonder if having close results as last year will provide actionable data to plan for something else that the team doesnt already know</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208145313" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208145313">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>and make 2021 a really excellent survey</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208145363" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lokathor <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208145363">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>the exact point of the survey is that we don't know the results before we run the survey. <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="250987">@apiraino</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208145657" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Lokathor <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208145657">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>Particularly the Rust Ecosystem moves faster than seemingly any other programming ecosystem. The 2018 Rustconf keynote about using the <code>specs</code> ecs crate is already <em>old tech</em> compared to the new ecs crates. Error crates also have wild turn-over. Async is much more used. I'm sure we could go on.</p>
<p>So we need new survey info even if it's an identical survey.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208145901" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208145901">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>What is the time frame for getting the survey out?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208146266" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208146266">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>We are aiming for end of next week 2020, and 2021 is likely a similar timeline (i.e., early September).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208146337" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208146337">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Yes it is known that that is Really Soon; if we must slip then that will happen).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208146672" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208146672">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>hmm, i dont think we have any time for translating new questions or verifying in each translation if a removed question makes sense.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208146854" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208146854">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>That is my impression too -- it was my understanding though that that is not interesting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208146861" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208146861">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>er, not necessary</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208146872" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208146872">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>"nice to have"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208146989" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208146989">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>indeed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208147587" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Poliorcetics <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208147587">(Aug 26 2020 at 20:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can help for French translation if this is needed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208149083" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> apiraino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208149083">(Aug 26 2020 at 21:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes, last year we had a group of people (me included) that volunteered to translate questions and then answers. Could be a good idea to contact them all again. With an even shorter notice than last year, apparently</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208149148" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> apiraino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208149148">(Aug 26 2020 at 21:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>(don't know who took care of that last year. Some contacts were handled by <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> )</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208156459" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> apiraino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208156459">(Aug 26 2020 at 22:20)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116122">simulacrum</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/249854-t-community.2Frust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E/near/208146266">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>We are aiming for end of next week 2020, and 2021 is likely a similar timeline (i.e., early September).</p>
</blockquote>
<p>By the way, what will be the differences between these two polls? I imagine something along the line of:<br>
Survey 2020: what was your 2020 in Rust?<br>
Survey 2021: what would you like to be your 2021 in Rust?</p>
<p>If yes, I kind of see a partial overlap when the 2020 survey will ask the "what would you like to see improved/stabilized?" kind of question. I believe that sounds like implicitely the first question for the 2021 survey</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208156611" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208156611">(Aug 26 2020 at 22:22)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="250987">apiraino</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/249854-t-community.2Frust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E/near/208149083">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>yes, last year we had a group of people (me included) that volunteered to translate questions and then answers. Could be a good idea to contact them all again. With an even shorter notice than last year, apparently</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Well, if there are no new <em>questions</em>, it's not shorter notice</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208156667" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208156667">(Aug 26 2020 at 22:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>But yes <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> did manage the communication and coordination of translations last year, I presume he has a list of folks</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208156680" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208156680">(Aug 26 2020 at 22:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>(In other words, we don't have to start translating until the results are coming available)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208177359" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208177359">(Aug 27 2020 at 04:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>the list of contacts is in the spreadsheet we've used</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208287295" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208287295">(Aug 27 2020 at 23:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>can you link that spreadsheet?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208290389" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208290389">(Aug 27 2020 at 23:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>couldn't find it, tomorrow will try to look again for it but meanwhile ...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208290405" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208290405">(Aug 27 2020 at 23:57)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span> do you remember where did we place these documents</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208290454" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208290454">(Aug 27 2020 at 23:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>I know they lived in Google Drive</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208290720" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208290720">(Aug 28 2020 at 00:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>could find <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hUJ_76ufq_5-qlBftgEgpa8EHXpznklAk-pdRryS1mM/edit#heading=h.f1no0b5ln6t0">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hUJ_76ufq_5-qlBftgEgpa8EHXpznklAk-pdRryS1mM/edit#heading=h.f1no0b5ln6t0</a>, notes about things to improve</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208291294" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208291294">(Aug 28 2020 at 00:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I can't find the spreadsheet where we had all the contacts</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208291421" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208291421">(Aug 28 2020 at 00:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>there we go <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l_tjLx6euqlyz6Wlk9vSggKMtV-be6bAEdGaQE9-TYg/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l_tjLx6euqlyz6Wlk9vSggKMtV-be6bAEdGaQE9-TYg/edit</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208291438" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208291438">(Aug 28 2020 at 00:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>here is the drive <a href="https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14H-ghkMdwOg035yq1cx0mATzl4wkKUO1">https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14H-ghkMdwOg035yq1cx0mATzl4wkKUO1</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208291591" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208291591">(Aug 28 2020 at 00:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>will someone with the necessary permissions grant me access to the drive?  my email is <a href="mailto:mrgould93@gmail.com">mrgould93@gmail.com</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208341486" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208341486">(Aug 28 2020 at 13:22)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="259089">@technetos</span> will do</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208341500" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208341500">(Aug 28 2020 at 13:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>also, I just spent a while reviewing the previous survey</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208341521" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208341521">(Aug 28 2020 at 13:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think there is one section we could remove (it asks about upgrading from Rust 2015 to Rust 2018)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208341527" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208341527">(Aug 28 2020 at 13:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>but otherwise it's "pretty good"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208342688" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208342688">(Aug 28 2020 at 13:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah I agree removing that section is important</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208346176" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208346176">(Aug 28 2020 at 14:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>So I guess we could break down the work required here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208355640" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208355640">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>Has anyone reached out to the translators we used last year?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208355854" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208355854">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>I have not, that's on my list</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208355859" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208355859">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>well I don't have a list yet</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208355866" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208355866">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was just coming to say that I'll try to make one ...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208356608" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208356608">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>I just created a google folder and shared it with various folks who've historically been involved :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208356699" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208356699">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>here is a <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EiPk00mKAH5CSaUnnjySGxwMuq3NX1ux1Ci3u9C5COg/edit">coordination document</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208356732" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208356732">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>Please grant me access</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208356890" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208356890">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>I did</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208356894" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208356894">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>I thought</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208356932" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208356932">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>no wait</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208356941" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208356941">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I moved it to the wrong folder :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208356967" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208356967">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="259089">@technetos</span> try again</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208357189" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208357189">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>Good to go, thanks <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208357550" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Léo Lanteri Thauvin <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208357550">(Aug 28 2020 at 15:29)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Has anyone reached out to the translators we used last year?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>By the way, I can help with the French translation if needed :slight_smile:</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208389878" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208389878">(Aug 28 2020 at 20:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>Did that list look about right?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208389908" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208389908">(Aug 28 2020 at 20:11)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> btw you were heavily involved in coordinating the translation stuff last time, are you interesting/available in doing that again or should we find someone else</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208390070" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208390070">(Aug 28 2020 at 20:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>also <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="132040">@Manish Goregaokar</span> I'm not sure if you are interested in being involved here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208390203" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Manish Goregaokar <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208390203">(Aug 28 2020 at 20:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah i might be a lil involved but idk if i have the time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208567207" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208567207">(Aug 31 2020 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>Has anyone made any more progress on reaching out to our translators from last year?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208568364" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208568364">(Aug 31 2020 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>also what is the planned end date for the survey?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208569303" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208569303">(Aug 31 2020 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>hey, for some reason I missed Niko's ping about this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208569439" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208569439">(Aug 31 2020 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd prefer if someone else can take care of this effort this time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208570761" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> apiraino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208570761">(Aug 31 2020 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="259089">technetos</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/249854-t-community.2Frust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E/near/208568364">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>also what is the planned end date for the survey?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>right, that's a good point. Last year it was kept online for ~15 days (from 3rd to 16th Dec.)<br>
<a href="https://blog.rust-lang.org/2019/12/03/survey-launch.html">https://blog.rust-lang.org/2019/12/03/survey-launch.html</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208570939" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208570939">(Aug 31 2020 at 15:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ive started going through the english version of the 2020 version of the 2019 survey looking for sections that need to be updated for this year, so far all ive found is dates</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208603361" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> apiraino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208603361">(Aug 31 2020 at 19:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>If nobody else jumps in to contact past year translators, I can offer a bit of time to take care of this (besides helping with translating answers). tbh I still have doubts we can manage a "Survey 2020" properly, but if it's decided, then fine, let's do this :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208603492" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> apiraino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208603492">(Aug 31 2020 at 19:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>Speaking of time, it wouldn't be bad to start shaping now the questions for the Survey 2021. Is a conversation about this already happening somewhere?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208603510" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208603510">(Aug 31 2020 at 19:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>Kinda here? :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208603709" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> apiraino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208603709">(Aug 31 2020 at 19:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>cool :-) If someone has already (or thought about) some possible candidate questions for survey 2021, we can start scribbling something on a shared document (e.g. a HackMD)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208617003" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208617003">(Aug 31 2020 at 21:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>Regarding translators</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208617064" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208617064">(Aug 31 2020 at 21:23)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="259089">@technetos</span> did you make any edits to the 2020 survey?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208617092" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208617092">(Aug 31 2020 at 21:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I made copies of the 2019 surveys but I didn't edit the translations yet</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208617105" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208617105">(Aug 31 2020 at 21:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess I can reach out to the translators from previous years</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208617110" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208617110">(Aug 31 2020 at 21:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>Only changed 2019 -&gt; 2020 in the title</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208681666" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Charles Lew <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208681666">(Sep 01 2020 at 12:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>Just a reminder that it's <strong>important to reach out to the Simplified Chinese translator</strong>, since Google Forms is not accessible from China mainland, i think we still need to host the China part of the survey in a Chinese survey web service just like what we did in the previous years.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208697503" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208697503">(Sep 01 2020 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK so</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208698550" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208698550">(Sep 01 2020 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>hey <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="248599">@llogiq</span> or <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="143300">@jer</span> -- I saw a note in the german translation from last year's survey that says:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Note: Noticeable discrepancies between Englich and German form. Missing questions, etc.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Can one of you review the <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1iLBsqFLkN5Ro5GIHnsfCCygd3VhQoW5TE8IntxxGTSA/edit?usp=drive_web">2020 German survey</a> to see if that is still the case? (<a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1BNwj2ECZZvWv-X69lbC0WQZb2wqwheJG1gqmsTdUwhg/edit?usp=drive_web">English survey</a>)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208698560" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208698560">(Sep 01 2020 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>If so, that seems like a problem!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208709111" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208709111">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>My plan for next steps here is:</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208709124" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208709124">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:02)</a>:</h4>
<ul>
<li>Edit and prepare the translations</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208709132" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208709132">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:02)</a>:</h4>
<ul>
<li>Send an e-mail to last year's translators</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208709150" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208709150">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:02)</a>:</h4>
<ul>
<li>Post survey not this thursday but sometime next week</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208709296" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208709296">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>When we do decide the release date, we need to decide how long to run the survey for</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208709376" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208709376">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>Any thoughts?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208709394" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208709394">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was thinking like 2 weeks or someting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208709452" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208709452">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>it might be interesting to chart how quickly responses fell off last time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208709460" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208709460">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>if we have that data</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208709580" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208709580">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>It looks like last year we ran the survey for 15 days</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208709637" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208709637">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:05)</a>:</h4>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208709695" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208709695">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>as you might expect, most folks were within 1 week</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208709776" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208709776">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway I don't know how interesting that is but ...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208710201" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208710201">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess 15 days is ok too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208710396" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208710396">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think a shorter window risks leaving some people out.  Additionally, if we really do want to compare last years results to this years, having the same time span makes some sense.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208710567" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208710567">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we shouldn't go over 14 days</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208710644" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208710644">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>we usually get so many responses too that I'm not too worried about running short</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208711515" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208711515">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>Indeed.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208712575" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208712575">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>I sent e-mail to the past translators</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208712582" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208712582">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>I realized I did not cc the community team, which I had meant to do</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208712584" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208712584">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>but oh well</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208713231" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208713231">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:30)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116458">Charles Lew</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/249854-t-community.2Frust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E/near/208681666">said</a>:</p>
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<p>Just a reminder that it's <strong>important to reach out to the Simplified Chinese translator</strong>, since Google Forms is not accessible from China mainland, i think we still need to host the China part of the survey in a Chinese survey web service just like what we did in the previous years.</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116458">@Charles Lew</span> I just realized that this means that I can't prepare this survey :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208713250" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208713250">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess I better reach out to that translator in particular</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208715528" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208715528">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK, I updated all the surveys to say 2020 and deleted section 6, except for simplified chinese.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208715536" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208715536">(Sep 01 2020 at 16:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll e-mail that translator specifically now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208827343" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208827343">(Sep 02 2020 at 13:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hey <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="259089">@technetos</span> / <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="132040">@Manish Goregaokar</span> -- any thoughts on where to reach out for translators beyond the folks who did it in the past?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208829933" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208829933">(Sep 02 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>I will ask around</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208830450" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> technetos <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208830450">(Sep 02 2020 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>It looks like the remaining languages we need translators for are Polish and Vietnamese, am I missing any?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208833839" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208833839">(Sep 02 2020 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>I have to update the latest volunteers but polish for sure -- I think I also just gave up on Hindi, I'm not even sure if the survey was up to date or not</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208833846" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208833846">(Sep 02 2020 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>last year we had no responses</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208840267" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Manish Goregaokar <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208840267">(Sep 02 2020 at 15:17)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> twitter, internals</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208846677" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208846677">(Sep 02 2020 at 15:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can post on internals as a start I guess</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208846711" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208846711">(Sep 02 2020 at 15:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't really do twitter that much :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/208847251" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#208847251">(Sep 02 2020 at 15:59)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://internals.rust-lang.org/t/wanted-translators-for-rust-survey-2020/12990">Posted on internals</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time%20to%20start%20thinking%20about%20this%20again.../near/209687831" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Léo Lanteri Thauvin <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/249854-t-community/rust-survey-2020/topic/time.20to.20start.20thinking.20about.20this.20again.2E.2E.2E.html#209687831">(Sep 10 2020 at 18:19)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/iq5s5b/launching_the_2020_state_of_rust_survey_rust_blog/g4pw1i7">Someone on Reddit</a> suggested that we could add GitHub as one of the ways that people can stay updated on Rust</p>



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